Comments on: Gestures as a language not a technology http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/ Geek out AFK with Jeffrey Sambells Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:48:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Matt http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55822 Matt Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:51:56 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55822 <p>@ Massive Dog...</p> <p>WOW how much does Apple pay you??? How can you guarantee that pinching would not be in use if Apple didn't do it on their iphone.</p> <p>First off, people were using this in the 80's!!!! Google for Myron Kreuger and "Video Place" and you will see him making pinching gestures and 2 fingers to control zooming and rotation (there are some very good ones from 1988).</p> <p>The iPhone was first talked about in concept back in 2003 whereas Microsoft Surface was already under research and development back in 2001... a full 2 years before iPhone was even a twinkle of an idea in Steve Jobs' mind.</p> <p>A lot of people beat Apple to the punch.</p> @ Massive Dog…

WOW how much does Apple pay you??? How can you guarantee that pinching would not be in use if Apple didn’t do it on their iphone.

First off, people were using this in the 80’s!!!! Google for Myron Kreuger and “Video Place” and you will see him making pinching gestures and 2 fingers to control zooming and rotation (there are some very good ones from 1988).

The iPhone was first talked about in concept back in 2003 whereas Microsoft Surface was already under research and development back in 2001… a full 2 years before iPhone was even a twinkle of an idea in Steve Jobs’ mind.

A lot of people beat Apple to the punch.

]]> By: MASSIVE DOG http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55532 MASSIVE DOG Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:49:32 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55532 <p>"Pinch-to-zoom is just common sense" Oh please for fuck sake, its only common sense because apple showed how it should be done, if they had never done that I can guarantee no one else would be using pinch to zoom now. Thats like saying "well the mouse is common sense" well why did we waste time looking into light pens and other devices before we settled on it?</p> <p>Claiming things are common sense is an idiotic comment by someone who doesn't know the first thing about design.</p> “Pinch-to-zoom is just common sense”
Oh please for fuck sake, its only common sense because apple showed how it should be done, if they had never done that I can guarantee no one else would be using pinch to zoom now.
Thats like saying “well the mouse is common sense” well why did we waste time looking into light pens and other devices before we settled on it?

Claiming things are common sense is an idiotic comment by someone who doesn’t know the first thing about design.

]]> By: links for 2009-11-07 | Yostivanich http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55477 links for 2009-11-07 | Yostivanich Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:07:21 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55477 <p>[...] Ges­tures as a lan­guage not a tech­nol­ogy : JeffreySambells.com “Per­son­ally, I’m all about inno­va­tion. Allow­ing an inno­va­tor to ben­e­fit from his or her inno­va­tion through patents is what makes busi­nesses inno­vate in the first place. At the same time how­ever, ges­tures are not inno­v­a­tive, nor should they be patentable. Pinch-to-zoom is just com­mon sense. How else would you do it with one motion? If Apple wants to patent some­thing, patent the tech­nol­ogy that allows the device to rec­og­nize multi touch and react to it, don’t patent the ges­tures them­selves. Ges­tures should be treated as a lan­guage, like sign lan­guage for touch devices. We need a com­mon set of ges­tures to inter­act with all touch enabled devices. I shouldn’t have to lean a dif­fer­ent lan­guage just to use a dif­fer­ent device.” (tags: patent tech­nol­ogy mul­ti­touch) [...]</p> [...] Ges­tures as a lan­guage not a tech­nol­ogy : JeffreySambells.com “Per­son­ally, I’m all about inno­va­tion. Allow­ing an inno­va­tor to ben­e­fit from his or her inno­va­tion through patents is what makes busi­nesses inno­vate in the first place. At the same time how­ever, ges­tures are not inno­v­a­tive, nor should they be patentable. Pinch-to-zoom is just com­mon sense. How else would you do it with one motion? If Apple wants to patent some­thing, patent the tech­nol­ogy that allows the device to rec­og­nize multi touch and react to it, don’t patent the ges­tures them­selves. Ges­tures should be treated as a lan­guage, like sign lan­guage for touch devices. We need a com­mon set of ges­tures to inter­act with all touch enabled devices. I shouldn’t have to lean a dif­fer­ent lan­guage just to use a dif­fer­ent device.” (tags: patent tech­nol­ogy mul­ti­touch) [...]

]]> By: Phosita http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55469 Phosita Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:18:46 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55469 <p>"I’ve just typed a whole paragraph that while being true is also bullshit sophistry."</p> <p>It's certainly one of those.</p> <p>"And yes, Apple did acquire the rights to this patent from the original inventor..."</p> <p>Krueger never patented pinch-to-zoom, and the patent would have expired by now anyway. Gruber refers to pending applications.</p> “I’ve just typed a whole paragraph that while being true is also bullshit sophistry.”

It’s certainly one of those.

“And yes, Apple did acquire the rights to this patent from the original inventor…”

Krueger never patented pinch-to-zoom, and the patent would have expired by now anyway. Gruber refers to pending applications.

]]> By: Verizon’s Droid and the Importance of Pinching | Technologizer http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55458 Verizon’s Droid and the Importance of Pinching | Technologizer Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:33:59 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55458 <p>[...] way or another, I agree with Jeffrey Sambells, who says that gestures are language and should be consistent on multiple platforms. Or to think of it a slightly different way: I know [...]</p> [...] way or another, I agree with Jeffrey Sambells, who says that gestures are language and should be consistent on multiple platforms. Or to think of it a slightly different way: I know [...]

]]> By: mindtangle » Blog Archive » Weekly Digest for November 4th http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55457 mindtangle » Blog Archive » Weekly Digest for November 4th Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:38:57 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55457 <p>[...] Gestures as a Language. Gestures are certainly a kind of language, and it would be nice to treat them as such. Except, [...]</p> [...] Gestures as a Language. Gestures are certainly a kind of language, and it would be nice to treat them as such. Except, [...]

]]> By: ジェスチャーは言語だ « maclalala:link http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55456 ジェスチャーは言語だ « maclalala:link Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:49:58 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55456 <p>[...] UI, インターフェイス カテゴリーへ shiro が 2009年11月5日 に投稿 Gestures as a language not a technology. : JeffreySambells.com Gestures should be treated as a language, like sign language for touch [...]</p> [...] UI, インターフェイス カテゴリーへ shiro が 2009年11月5日 に投稿 Gestures as a language not a technology. : JeffreySambells.com Gestures should be treated as a language, like sign language for touch [...]

]]> By: ジェスチャーは言語だ « maclalala2 http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55455 ジェスチャーは言語だ « maclalala2 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:16:29 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55455 <p>[...] JeffreySambells.com: “Gestures as a language not a technology.” by Jeffrey Sambells: 03 November [...]</p> [...] JeffreySambells.com: “Gestures as a language not a technology.” by Jeffrey Sambells: 03 November [...]

]]> By: bradi http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55454 bradi Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:03:36 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55454 <p>Language standards develop organically, not naturally; that I'm quibbling over semantics is part of the point. That gestures are language not technology is off too. Language is technology. However, it is a generic and continuously developing tool that only very specific "streams" can get a patent or copywrite. {"Final Four®" for example} Having said that I stress that language is, in this sort of example, an "item" and means of identifying the item at the same time.</p> <p>I've just typed a whole paragraph that while being true is also bullshit sophistry.</p> <p>For the record, patenting "pinch to zoom" is technology is valid (imho). It is not language since it is a unique implementation of an idea to control and manipulate a physical interface. And yes, Apple did acquire the rights to this patent from the original inventor and was the first to bring a viable device to market with such an elegant implementation that many (if not most) consider it obvious in hindsight.</p> Language standards develop organically, not naturally; that I’m quibbling over semantics is part of the point. That gestures are language not technology is off too. Language is technology. However, it is a generic and continuously developing tool that only very specific “streams” can get a patent or copywrite. {“Final Four®” for example} Having said that I stress that language is, in this sort of example, an “item” and means of identifying the item at the same time.

I’ve just typed a whole paragraph that while being true is also bullshit sophistry.

For the record, patenting “pinch to zoom” is technology is valid (imho). It is not language since it is a unique implementation of an idea to control and manipulate a physical interface. And yes, Apple did acquire the rights to this patent from the original inventor and was the first to bring a viable device to market with such an elegant implementation that many (if not most) consider it obvious in hindsight.

]]> By: Bob Peterson http://jeffreysambells.com/posts/2009/11/03/gestures-as-a-language-not-a-technology/comment-page-1/#comment-55453 Bob Peterson Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:53:04 +0000 http://jeffreysambells.com/?p=331#comment-55453 <p>Actually, deaf sign languages are not standardized, and I mean apart from dialect differences.</p> Actually, deaf sign languages are not standardized, and I mean apart from dialect differences.

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